The book of Daniel chapter eight.

CHAPTER 35        Jan/2003                                 LINK TO OTHER PAGES

  1.   Daniel received a vision when he was in the land of Babylon, and the Angel related to him the vision and expanded upon it, after which it reads.  “The vision of the evenings and of the mornings which has been told is true."

  2.   "Evenings, and mornings" so it reads, as in now and then, or as in first and last, or as in first and second.   For then it continues to state; "for it pertains to many days hence".   Israel was in exile in the East when this vision was revealed in what was about to take place, and in what was to take place in many days hence.

  3. This is the message that I am proclaiming and expanding upon it in some manner.   There was a ram with two horns on the bank of the river, and a male goat came from the West and broke the horns of the ram, after which that male goat magnified itself, yet then it was broken, the power going to the four winds of heaven.

  4. And to repeat this:   The ram with the two horns has been named as the kings of Media and Persia, with the male goat from the West as Alexander the Great, and so the vision came to its conclusion in these days past.    And man's preachers are happy to explain it all as in the past, as if in some manner they were wise and cunning, while in fact, they are not even competent to read, let alone expound upon anything

  5. This I say since it clearly reads "Evenings and morning", or as we would say, mornings and evening.   It is to occur twice,  just as the destruction of Egypt is to occur twice.   Even as so many events were for a warning that the same would come again.

  6. The first came when Israel was led out, delivered from the hand of oppression, with the second to come to the greater Egypt, the whole of the world, when again the Lord will deliver Israel from the hands of the nations, and to bring destruction to the whole of the world.

  7. Now let us consider every word that is spoken.   The ram so it reads, stood at the bank of the river, or better said at a canal, a man-made river, and that itself has a meaning that I shall forego to mention.   And where it states that "the he-goat came from the West across the face of the whole earth without touching the ground", - is a statement that pertains more to the morning, or as we would say the evening, the second, or the last.    

  8. For how did Alexander transport his army to the banks of the river – "coming close to the ram" as it states, and not touching the ground, and then attack him in his wrath?

  9. Some commentators define this as if Alexander had a light foot, moving swiftly.   But that is not what the Angel said to Daniel.  And while Alexander the Great was to the West of the Eastern kings, it is but a hop and a skip over land (touching the ground) for him to move to that part of the East.   

  10. Yet Daniel clearly states how the angel told him that the he-goat came clear across the face of the whole earth (or land) without as much as touching the ground.   And we know that such a thing has only become possible in this century, to transport people, and whole armies with machines that move without touching the ground, namely airplanes.

  11. And only this time it was that anything came from the west clear across the face of the earth, clear from the American continent.

  12.   The male goat from the West is not as were it a single king or nation, but more a power of, for it had a conspicuous horn that may be interpreted as the chief leader (or nation) of that power.  And the term "conspicuous" as being a horn with eyes, to have vision.  

  13. The male goat then having cast down the arrogance of Media and Persia does a very foolish thing, the horn begins to magnify himself, becoming proud and arrogant as if he can do anything, and no-one is going to put him down.

  14. (The leader or horn that defeated the ram remained in power until one after him took over to the ruin of that power. This may be in league to Alexander who remained in power, until his sons took the rein, the power going to the four winds of heaven.)

  15. But then that horn will find himself defeated in the power of God, and it will no longer be a single conspicuous horn, but four horns will sprout, or to say; it will go "to the four winds of heaven".  The four winds, or the four directions to which one may proceed. That conspicuous horn thinking to dictate to all the world will be defeated in this that other nations will come to have such powers.

  16. In the morning (or evening as we call it), it will be, and it will not be as with Alexander the Great, where his captains took over - the four as it was reported to be Macedonia, Thrace, Syria, and Egypt.    I said it will not be - in the sense that the four will not come of the single conspicuous horn as it might be said of Alexander, but rather of the goat as the whole, the four powers as such spreading over the whole of the earth.

  17. From here - out of one these horns - one is to grow that will direct its path to the south and to the East,  "He will put down these Jews" - so he thinks, and he will speak great boasting words against God, and against all that is righteous and true.  And he will invade the Glorious land to cause the continual burnt offering to cease.

  18. In the evening (or morning as we have it}, it was Antiochus Epiphanes that captured such people as were in the South and the East (Egypt, Persia, Armenia)  and turned his face against Israel, putting them to death by torture those which would not renounce the law of the Lord. 

  19. This time it will be the infamous little horn as stated in chapter 7:8,   "There came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots; and behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things."  That one therefore is yet to come.

  20.   "It was evening and it was morning, one day", so it reads in Genesis.  And yes what is a single day in which things are to take place from evening to morning.    It is the book of Daniel from which we are reading, the vision of the ram and the he-goat, a vision for a series of events that were many days hence, and which also occurred quite near to that time.  But for which of these – the evening or the morning - was the vision more profound?

  21. There were no airplanes in the days of Alexander, nor did he reside half way across the world, nor were the days two thousand three hundred, as in six plus years when Antiochus gave up on Israel and marched against the Persians.   

  22. Nor was Antiochus one who understood riddles as it is reported by Daniel that the horn that grow large would have.  Nor were the events of Alexander and Antiochus so far hence to wit a few hundred years, compared to the two millennia’s as many days hence.  

  23. The words of Daniel in the whole thereof do indeed speak of events that by now are many days in the past, but even more so of the days at our doorstep, events yet to be concluded in the days shortly before the coming of our Lord upon the wings of heaven.  

  24. For again it reads;  "Understand O son of man that the vision is for the time of the end."  And; "It pertains to the appointed time of the end."   Hear and understand.

The most terrible among the nations

  1. This word is for you O you princes and governors of the earth, a word to all rulers and their people.  You consider yourselves wise and as were you gods with your wealth and the power of your hand.

  2. Therefore, behold, thus says the Lord;  "I will bring strangers upon you, the most terrible of the nations; and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of your wisdom and defile your splendor.   They shall thrust you down into the Pit, and you shall die the death of the slain in the heart of the seas"

  3. By 'strangers' so the Lord said, by foreigners, by those kind of persons that you do not know, whose words are strange to you, and whose dealings are not like your dealings.   They are indeed 'the most terrible of the nations', they are those whose love is justice, and where righteousness will prevail.

  4. And where may these be found O you mighty proud ones in the earth?  Within your own borders, and upon the threshold.  You thought they were among your own number, you took from them taxes and interest, but you did not know them.  Foreigners within your borders, a people to whom the land is strange, persons of another race not like unto those among whom they have been brought.

  5. The beauty of your wisdom now will fail O you governors in the earth, and of the wise men of your realm, together with all your splendor.  For so the Lord, the Almighty One who by the power of His word alone formed all the galaxies, which the babes among you are attempting to explain.   

  6. He has placed a sword in their hand, and it will be against your beauty and your splendor.   "In the midst of the sea" - so it states - O you rulers and you counselors wherefore I will show your wisdom as the mire of the street, as a vile thing not worthy of accounting.

  7. My Lord spoke this of you that they would trust you down into the pit, meaning into the nether world, into what is allegorically called the pool of fire.  This is so that you may die the death of the uncircumcised, and not without notice, nor in secret, but as My Lord said:  'in the heart of the seas.'   

  8. And now that you consider yourself wise you ought to know the meaning thereof wherefore I should not have to explain this further, me a foreigner among you, a stranger in a strange land.

  9. And so when you raise your voice to me saying; I was a prince, a ruler in the earth, the people looked up to me, and I brought them welfare.   I was like a god unto them and like a father, and these were my subjects placed into my hand.  

  10. But now the rod is no longer in our hands, the Lord, the Almighty Lord took it from us, for He is King of kings, and Lord of lords.  Yet we were lords, and our deeds were many for which we beg you due consideration.  

  11.     Hear now and pay attention all you gods, rulers in the earth, you are requesting due consideration from me.  Well-on I will quote you something as it was written by the hand of another foreigner, a stranger in the earth, the word of the Lord by Ezekiel. Quote: 

  12.   "Will you still say, `I am a god,' in the presence of those who slay you, though you are but a man, and no god, in the hands of those who wound you?   You shall die the death of the uncircumcised by the hand of foreigners; for I have spoken, says the Lord God."

  13. The Lord has spoken, the One who dethroned you, and so it will be, for I, as we,  will perform the will of the Lord our God by whose hand we were brought into a world of strangers, into a land where all flesh must walk cautiously.  

  14. And have you not heard how when I was yet young, barely having become of age I spoke saying;  "What are the kings of the earth unto me, or their desires that I should desire them?"

  15. What then are you to expect of me, of the most terrible of the nations?   You will indeed behold the rod, that rod of steel, the sword of the Lord, and your wisdom will fail, and your cunning will not prevail.   "A terrible avenger", so it is spoken of the Lord, and as for us the foreigners - 

  16. His wish is our command, to us of whom He said;  "The most terrible among the nations."  And how may it be that it is thus spoken of us?  In claiming yourselves wise you ought certainly to know, and not that I should have to make you wise all over again.

  17. If indeed you were wise O you lords and governors of the earth, you should have read and considered all these things as I am expounding here.  And it would do you well to hear my word in the exposition thereof.  

  18. But you are not wise, for though you may have read - you have not understood, and it is loathsome to you to hear the exposition.   Yet I will speak before it goes forth, lest you say we were not reminded, and someone should have taught us.

  19. Quote:  "Son of man, raise a lamentation over Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say to him: "You consider yourself a lion among the nations, but you are like a dragon in the seas; you burst forth in your rivers, trouble the waters with your feet, and foul their rivers."

  20. 'Pharaoh', how does that word translate?  It means 'King'.   And the word 'Egypt', how does that translate?   It means the nation as such and also it means 'The World'.   Thus the Lord bids me to raise a lamentation over the kings of the earth, over the rulers of this world.   

  21. And you dragons - do you know what it means 'to burst forth in your rivers, and to trouble the waters?  It means that by your second's in command you are troubling the people, your very own and others besides them.    And "to foul 'their' rivers", noting the word 'their', is to corrupt their teachers, causing their counselors to be a demise unto them.

  22. Then quote:  "Thus says the Lord God: I will throw my net over you with a host of many peoples; and I will haul you up in my dragnet.   And I will cast you on the ground, on the open field I will fling you, and will cause all the birds of the air to settle on you, and I will gorge the beasts of the whole earth with you.   

  23. I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with your carcass.   I will drench the land even to the mountains with your flowing blood; and the watercourses will be full of you."

  24. Your reward, that is what this is O you rulers, along with your hordes with you.  Because you count yourselves so admirable - as if there is no wrong in you.  When your generals, your rivers had taken victory, they did not execute justice.  

  25. They were not competent in right judgment.  They were like children, with their speeches like that of babes, rivers that do not know to which end the force of the earth revolves.

  26. It reads; "with a host of many peoples", and who might these be?  Is it not good sense to read and consider every word that is spoken?   And so again I quote the Lord speaking:  "I will cause your multitude to fall by the swords of mighty ones, all of them most terrible among the nations. "They shall bring to nothing the pride of Egypt, and all its multitude shall perish."

  27. By mighty ones, by the terrible ones, the most terrible among the nations.   By these so the Lord said He will cause your carcasses to be eaten by the vultures and the wild dogs.  And you will not be awarded a burial, or in that day that anyone should weep over you.  

  28. And they were among you yes, but they were not of you.  They were kind and generous, and yet they are terrible, unto you the most terrible of all - not having comprehended their speech.

  29. It is at the threshold the day of your demise, the day of foreigners to come upon you.   And so spoke the Lord quote:  "When I blot you out, I will cover the heavens, and make their stars dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give its light.   All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over you, and put darkness upon your land, says the Lord God."

  30. How will you complain, or muster a might against that day O you wise ones in the earth?  When it is in your heart to assemble together as a mighty army with many kings at the heads thereof - then your demise will have come.   

  31. Speak to the sun if you will so that a cloud may not hide its light from you, or go to the stars that they may not depart from you.   But you are your own demise, you have blot out the stars - and will you now that the stars shall not blot you out?

  32. Quote:  "I will trouble the hearts of many peoples, when I carry you captive among the nations, into the countries which you have not known.   I will make many peoples appalled at you, and their kings shall shudder because of you, when I brandish my sword before them; they shall tremble every moment, every one for his own life, on the day of your downfall."

  33. "Into countries which you have not known", and what country might that be?   Those in the nether world will consider your fall and be appalled at you.  A great disturbance is taking place, our offspring is coming down to us, to lie down with us.   

  34. These too have not learned, and the Lord is stripping the whole earth.  And these too that remain, the remnants, are trembling for their lives.  In the morning when they awaken - if any sleep has closed their eyes, they will look to see if the sword is near.

  35. It is a great King that is to come upon you, as the Lord said: "The sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon you".  And:  "I will destroy all its beasts from beside many waters; and no foot of man shall trouble them any more, nor shall the hoofs of beasts trouble them." 

  36. This now will not be Saddam, nor any the likes of him, for the translation of the word 'Babylon' also defines into 'World'.    The sword therefore is the sword of the Lord with His host, the terrible ones of the nations.  And who might be the 'beasts' and the waters, the 'many waters be'?   

  37. I will rejoice that at last the river may run free, and the sound of deceit is no longer heard by my ear.  For so the Lord pronounced unto me a blessing saying:

  38. "Then I will make their waters clear, and cause their rivers to run like oil, says the Lord God.   When I make the land of Egypt (the world of Gentiles) desolate and when the land is stripped of all that fills it, when I smite all who dwell in it, then they will know that I am the Lord."

  39.   And now from Ezekiel, chapter 31, for how strange it is of me, not like as we were taught, that he does not provide us with book, chapter, and verse, each time he makes a quotation - so that we may check up on the accuracy thereof.  

  40. And that is just it - you of little faith, and with no understanding - will you acclaim me a liar, that I should not quote what is factual?  References to quotations is for them that are to perish,  the sons of God have no need thereof since with them is the very Spirit of the word.

  41. Quote:  "The word of the Lord came to me: "Son of man, say to Pharaoh king of Egypt and to his multitude: (The rulers of the earth and their multitudes) "Whom are you like in your greatness?   Behold, I will liken you to a cedar in Lebanon, with fair branches and forest shade, and of great height, its top among the clouds.  The waters nourished it, the deep made it grow tall, making its rivers flow round the place of its planting, sending forth its streams to all the trees of the forest.

  42. So it towered high above all the trees of the forest; its boughs grew large and its branches long, from abundant water in its shoots.  All the birds of the air made their nests in its boughs; under its branches all the beasts of the field brought forth their young; and under its shadow dwelt all great nations.  

  43. It was beautiful in its greatness, in the length of its branches; for its roots went down to abundant waters.  The cedars in the garden of God could not rival it, nor the fir trees equal its boughs."

  44. And so you were O you kings of Egypt, you rulers of the earth, but hear again the word of the Lord:  "Therefore thus says the Lord God: Because it towered high and set its top among the clouds, and its heart was proud of its height,  I will give it into the hand of a mighty one of the nations; he shall surely deal with it as its wickedness deserves".

  45. "A mighty one of the nations", so it reads, another king of Egypt, but not like the kings that were known in Egypt.   It is Nebuchadnez'zar, in the scepter of Zerubabel, to whom the Lord awarded the whole thereof as wages for himself and for those with him, because they labored for the Lord.    And while neither you nor your generals dealt with them as was deserving, this king most certainly will.

  46. For these are again as the Lord said:  "Foreigners, the most terrible of the nations, will cut it down and leave it.   On the mountains and in all the valleys its branches will fall, and its boughs will lie broken in all the watercourses of the land; and all the peoples of the earth will go from its shadow and leave it".

  47. You accounted me as nothing, and all of us as a nuisance to be done away with, yet you will behold your people how these will no longer flock unto you, but they will call themselves blessed in the most terrible of the nations.  

  48. And they will adore their Nebuchadnez'zar as their Pharaoh and their god.  How then O you rulers shall I have mercy on you seeing how I spoke saying; "What are the kings of the earth to me?"

  49. All this - so the Lord said; - "is in order that no trees by the waters may grow to lofty height or set their tops among the clouds, and that no trees that drink water may reach up to them in height; for they are all given over to death, to the nether world among mortal men, with those who go down to the pit."

  50. And I will quote you the rest so you may know;   "Thus says the Lord God: When it goes down to Sheol I will make the deep mourn for it, and restrain its rivers, and many waters shall be stopped; I will clothe Lebanon in gloom for it, and all the trees of the field shall faint because of it."

  51. And:  "I will make the nations quake at the sound of its fall, when I cast it down to Sheol with those who go down to the Pit; and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, will be comforted in the nether world.   They also shall go down to Sheol with it, to those who are slain by the sword; yea, those who dwelt under its shadow among the nations shall perish."

  52. Words spoken for that great day when the Lord will come to execute justice.  Or what do these people think, those grains of dust upon that one little planet in but a single galaxy among the many established by the hand of the Almighty God? 

  53.  "Whom are you thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden?"   So the Lord spoke;  "You shall be brought down with the trees of Eden to the nether world; you shall lie among the uncircumcised, with those who are slain by the sword."

  54.  "This - so spoke the Lord; - is Pharaoh and all his multitude."   Or shall I say - the rulers of the earth and all their multitudes.  And my heart shall be comforted, as those that are in the nether world will be comforted, everyone that has an eye to see and a heart to discern.

The oracle concerning Babylon

which Isaiah (13) the son of Amos saw.

  1. The 20th century it is, and Babylon concerning which this oracle is about who is she?   If you imagine that it refers to Iraq you are mistaken.  She may be part of it, but the reference is to the whole of the world in the context of the powers, the self sufficient, and evil ones.  The ones that straddled the earth in their power, in their dominance to govern and oppress it to their likens.  And as I will define later.

  2. And so the Lord begins:  "On a bare hill raise a signal, cry aloud to them; wave the hand for them to enter the gates of the nobles".   The "nobles" so it reads, or as I just previously noted; "the powers, and the self sufficient," to enter into their gates.  For the reference here is to the words that follow, for again I might add here that I am not acting out of my own, but so speaks the Lord:

  3. "I myself have commanded my consecrated ones, have summoned my mighty men, to execute my anger, my proudly exulting ones.   Hark, a tumult on the mountains as of a great multitude!   Hark, an uproar of kingdoms, of nations gathering together!   

  4. The Lord of hosts is mustering a host for battle.   They come from a distant land, from the end of the heavens, the Lord and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole earth".

  5. But now it takes the light of the eye to behold which of these sentences have a reference to what.   It states; "An uproar of kingdoms, of nations gathering together".  This has its reference to earthly kingdoms, the nations coming up having their faces set to the navel of the earth.   

  6. While where it reads;  "They come from a distant land, from the ends of the heavens", this has its reference to the first words, to the "consecrated" ones, the Lord's "proudly exulted" ones."

  7. For "on a bare hill to raise a signal" is not to be hidden, but as added emphasis to wave the hand calling forth the saints, the elect from the ends of the heavens wherever they may be, to return unto the earth to take part in the vengeance of the Lord.   

  8. Like as the Lord said; "I have summoned them, to execute My anger," and the Lord has also called forth the nations for battle  that He might destroy them in a single place.

  9. It is the day of vengeance, the day of judgment, the end of the sixth day of creation, it is near the middle of things.  The day of rest is at hand, the sabbath of the Lord, and to clear the air before its entry, the nations must perish, all that is evil in order that there may be rest and peace upon the earth.   For so the oracle continues;  "Wail, for the day of the Lord is near; as destruction from the Almighty it will come!"

  10. "As a destruction of the Almighty," so it reads, and further;  "Therefore all hands will be feeble, and every man's heart will melt, and they will be dismayed. Pangs and agony will seize them; they will be in anguish like a woman in travail. They will look aghast at one another; their faces will be aflame."     

  11. And I thought you were so brave, you potentates of the earth, and all you landlords, scientists, judges, and commanders.   You got a big mouth alright, claiming you will never be moved, and promoting evolution and all such filthy crab.  Where will you be then with all your boasting and the lies of your hearts?   

  12. Have you not noticed how we are not in the least bit put aside by your threats and your boasting, for I am one of those "exulted ones" of whom the Lord spoke.   One of those to whom the Lord refers as; "His mighty men," one of those "terrible ones" of the nations.  And it is to you whom I will direct myself by the calling of the Lord to root the wicked out of the earth, to eradicate them from the living.

  13. It will be dreadfully painful for them, as the Lord said;  "Behold, the day of the Lord comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger, to make the earth a desolation and to destroy its sinners from it."   And:  "For the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give their light; the sun will be dark at its rising and the moon will not shed its light." 

  14. And so spoke the Lord:  "I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will put an end to the pride of the arrogant, and lay low the haughtiness of the ruthless."  And: " I will make men more rare than fine gold, and mankind than the gold of Ophir."

  15. "More rare than fine gold", so few will these be that shall be left upon the earth.  And of the mighty exulted ones not a single one will perish, or be harmed.  The vultures will eat their fill of them, their oil will be cut off, nor will their gold save them, and none that are left will be paying taxes or interest, for the takers of all such things will be in the belly of the vultures and of the wild dogs, who will redeposit them upon the earth as their dung.

  16. Have you heard O you proud ones, and you that are indifferent, what your demise will be?    And for this - so the Lord said:  "I will make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken out of its place at the wrath of the Lord of hosts, in the day of his fierce anger.   And like a hunted gazelle, or like sheep with none to gather them, every man will turn to his own people, and every man will flee to his own land."   

  17. It is a natural thing for a man to feel more secure at home, and it is an illiterate outlook to take one's fear or demise out on strangers.  But everyone will fear for his life, for so spoke the Lord:  

  18. "Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is caught will fall by the sword.  Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished."

  19. When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: "How the oppressor has ceased, the insolent fury ceased!   The Lord has broken the staff of the wicked, the scepter of rulers,  that smote the peoples in wrath with unceasing blows, that ruled the nations in anger with unrelenting persecution."

  20. And these are not alone to speak, but those that were laid down before them will also speak.  The dead as you would say, those that are already in Hades, for thus the word continues:   "Sheol beneath is stirred up to meet you when you come, it rouses the shades to greet you, all who were leaders of the earth; it raises from their thrones all who were kings of the nations.  All of them will speak and say to you: `

  21. You too have become as weak as we! You have become like us!'  Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, the sound of your harps; maggots are the bed beneath you, and worms are your covering."

  22. And I should reiterate the rest for you, the reference being to the king of deceit, one that is not human, but an angel, a mighty angel named Satan, who with his cunning and flatteries deceived the kings of the earth and its people.

  23. "How you are fallen from heaven, O day star, son of dawn!  How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!  You said in your heart, `I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far north;  

  24. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High.'  But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit."

  25. "Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: `Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who did not let his prisoners go home?'  

  26. All the kings of the nations lie in glory, each in his own tomb;  but you are cast out, away from your sepulcher, like a loathed untimely birth, clothed with the slain, those pierced by the sword, who go down to the stones of the Pit, like a dead body trodden under foot."

  27. And so I could go on to refine and expound, and reiterate upon the word spoken.  But who will understand, and who will take notice?  The word that has been spoken must come to pass.

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